#include<bits/stdc++.h>
using namespace std;
int main(){
	int jsq=0,x=0;
	string s,s1;
	cin>>s1>>s;
	for(int i=0;i<max(s.size(),s1.size());i++){
		if(s[i]>=65&&s[i]<=100){
			s[i]+=32;
		}if(s1[i]>=65&&s1[i]<=100){
			s1[i]+=32;
		}
	}
	if(s.find(s1)==-1){
		cout<<-1;
	}
	for(int i=0;i<s.size();i++){
		if(s.find(s1,x)!=-1){
			jsq++;
			x=s.find(s1,x);
		}else{
			break;
		}
	}
	cout<<jsq<<" "<<s.find(s1);
}