#include<iostream>
#include<cstring>
using namespace std;
string s,a;
void sa(string x){
getline(cin,x);
for(int i=0;i<x.length();i++){
if(x[i]>='a'&&x[i]<='z'){
x[i]-='a'-'A';
}
}
}
int main(){
int mun=0,sss,ss;
sa(a);sa(s);
sss=s.find(a,0);
ss=sss;
while(sss!=-1){
mun++;
sss=s.find(a,sss+1);
}
if(mun==0){
cout<<-1;
}else{
cout<<mun<<" "<<ss;
}
return 0;
}